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Been wondering, does anyone still use the term proto-cyborg? I’m curious what grinders here think of the term?

When I first heard of biohacking from articles in 2004, grinders were keen on distinguishing between proto-cyborgs with RFID and magnets, and an actual cyborg like Kevin Warwick was when he had the 100 electrode array in the medial nerve of his left arm. But I haven’t heard the term used lately.

My understanding of the distinction is that a body hacked with mechanical hardware is a proto-cyborg, a prototype / transition phase to developing full fledged cyborgs which specifically implant cybernetic technology, which I understand here to mean an electronic modification or addition to the nervous system specifically. That is, machinery which reads from, writes to, or replaces part of the organism’s nervous system, thereby being integrated into the organism’s cybernetic feedback loop.

Of course, thinkers like Donna Haraway use the term ā€œcyborgā€ much more loosely, metaphorically even, as a general expression of all of tech-using humanity. ā€œWe are all cyborgs,ā€ as it has become popular to say. This was long before actual grinders though, and had less to do with the actual field of cybernetics and everything to do with sci-fi myth-making. But my point is, there are more generic usages of the term (even to the point of becoming meaningless) and more specific usages like back in 2004.

When people have asked about it I’ve introduced myself as a ā€œproto-cyborg,ā€ but I find it just leads to confusion as I have to explain what a proto-cyborg is apart from a cyborg, and since they don’t know what cybernetics is. But then, when people see me in wearable tech and call me a ā€œcyborg,ā€ they are in just as much confusion as to what a cyborg is. I find myself tempted to just go along with the crowd and call myself a cyborg to avoid having to explain, but then I only reinforce to the misunderstanding.

To use the term ā€œcyborgā€ in the somewhat looser, casual sense that we often use it around here, what do my fellow cyborgs think? How do you distinguish different types of ā€œcyborgsā€ or different ways we use the word? For those who have been grinding for a while, do you remember just how the term ā€œproto-cyborgā€ was used?

I feel like we can get around this by making proto-cyborgs and the like subsets of cyborgs.

Just to have more options for words, I’ll use some Cyberpunk RPG terms here in the example:

Cyborg Subsets

  • Proto-cyborg
  • Netrunner
  • Full-Borg (90%+ robotics excluding brain)

Yes, I agree that ā€œproto-cyborgā€ is a subset of the more general usage of the term. I wonder what to call a ā€œcyborgā€ in the stricter sense. I find myself using ā€œtrue cyborgā€ but it sounds too divisive, like there’s a class hierarchy, a value statement, rather than only a demarcation of alternative kinds. ā€œCyborg properā€ works in the sense of ā€œNoun proper,ā€ but still.

ā€œFull-Borgā€ is an interesting term, because the component that makes it cybernetic is the only remaining fleshy part. Yet the term drops the ā€œcyberā€ and emphasises the ā€œorganicā€ which is no longer in its original fullness.

I also often find myself needing terminology to distinguish which end the comparator is on. Like the Trek Borg or proprietary ML influence apps with a comparator on a centralized server to steer the hive mind masses, versus a transhuman augmenting themselves with hack-it-yourself upgrades to arrest control from mega-corporations and reclaim individual ownership of our own techno-bodies. Cyborgs steered by the machine versus cyborgs who steer the machine.

I don’t think it’s a ā€œlieā€ to call myself (NExT,xMagic,xG3) a cyborg, but at the same time I don’t personally use the term as an introduction. I consider it a bit of an exaggeration if anything.

If I were actively asked by somebody what I would refer to people like me/us as, I would use the term ā€œGrinderā€ still. It’s not very searchable as a certain… platform… shows up first, but I believe it is the most accurate and recognizable term in the current age.

Maybe once Neuralink or a couple of prosthetics companies (that connect directly to nerves) become somewhat common in the medical field, it may matter more, or the terms may change.

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Did you remember to take your server rack for a walk today?

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Nice to see you back @Zwack

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FUCKING BULLSHIT.

I used to hate people that would say things like ā€œthere oughta be a lawā€ but holy shit restricting features behind cloud accounts, even free accounts, is total bullshit and there oughta be a law.

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If you are not connecting to things remotely, there should not be cloud services … period.
Unfortunately, i believe all the recent progress done on right to repair and trying to push back against planned obsolescence will be squashed back for corporate profit …

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Anyone got experience with those guys?
HP Proliant DL360 G9 8SFF

Also looking at a few Lenovo System X 3550 M5 and the HP Proliant DL380p G8 and DL385p G8 that are a tad cheaper :sweat_smile:

I like the DL380p & DL385p being 2U (more room and quieter?) with 3 PCIE slot but worried the 8G is getting old :roll_eyes:

Indeed. A laissez faire market doesn’t long remain a free a market. Antitrust laws should cover this. It’s basically product tying. They’re using their position in the dishwasher market to force consumers to buy inferior products we don’t want: the lousy interface that comes with their dishwasher.

If they’re going to suck so badly at making an interface (can’t even afford buttons on a $1000 dishwasher? Can’t even afford a segmented display?) then maybe they should at least be required to provide some interoperable ports, API, and the documentations for competitors (FOSS hackers) to easily fill the market niche that the dishwasher company has only jammed up with their own faeces. Probably also require them to provide consumers with a reference to a catalogue where such competitors post their listings. It’s not requiring them to do any more work - just the work they already should’ve done within their own company at least. If they don’t want to finish the job adequately, they can feel free to leave it to others to do it for them, but done right.

Bought a brand new car recently, and I must say… I would’ve been more impressed if they’d just given me a 20 year old model fresh off the assembly line. No tactile buttons for the thermostat or radio presets, just a cheap touchscreen and a stupid voice command feature. (If I ever want to talk to my machine for some reason, the offline assistant you shared is the only thing I’ve seen that I’d ever consider.) I turned off all its data network tracking, which is also a case of product tying. If I want data in my vehicle, I’ll shop for it on the free market rather than letting them price-tie me into their closed market crap. Same goes for dash cams. Fortunately though, owners do seem to’ve found ways of hacking in to that model, so I might be able to configure it with some proper buttons at some point.

(Oh, but don’t get me started on the credit company that the dealership illegally forced me to go through instead of accepting a loan from the free market, and all the ways they’ve tried to scam me, locking me out of my accounts in every way they can think of to try to force me to make a late payment so they can raise my price. A laissez faire market is not a free market.)

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LLMs taking action for you through an MCP…

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That’s legit

I just checked it out.
It does a pretty good job. 90%+
The remaing 10% is easy to figure out.

What it cant translate are pictures with words, and screen shots of text messages etc.
like this

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Some people from the postcrossing group used the phone and cameta to translate it via google.
They got cards in chinese and russian language.

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Google Lens :wink:

So many Chinese instruction manuals have been photographed…

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yeah, I do that too, but thanks.
I was just pointing out what Sandras website cant do.

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Assuming the data on the T5577’s are correct, a lot of (your?) T5577’s come from Silicon Craft Technology. The first trace is from my xMagic, the second is from my NExT, and the third is from my Amazon-Special offbrand Magic Ring.

Ironically, Silicon Craft Technology’s main landing page showcases a livestock tracking chip. (And the visual equivalent of technical nonsense…)

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Makes sense as our factory is in Thailand!

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external USB hard drive ā€œinstruction manualā€ :rofl:

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